Comments on: The reason why Google Chrome will never get mainstream http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream web standards, usability & other girly stuff Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:49:06 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dimitris http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-164269 Dimitris Mon, 23 May 2011 13:03:01 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-164269 Be proud of you! Three years have passed... as you very well know, there's no need to delete the post :) Be proud of you! Three years have passed… as you very well know, there’s no need to delete the post :)

]]> By: Daniel http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-101562 Daniel Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:39:56 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-101562 Having read the instructions, I was really tempted to write this comment in Esperanto and see whether you would excercise your right to edit it. ;-) Now seriously, I like the general approach of Google Chrome, but I stick to Firefox because of the extensions, which makes it possible to tailor it to one's needs. And one of mine is precisely to write in Esperanto, which has some diacritic signs I have been unable to produce in Gmail when I access it through Chrome. On the other hand, I can easily type them with an extension in Firefox. So, at least for present time, I stick with Firefox. Regards, Daniel (Buenos Aires, Argentina) Having read the instructions, I was really tempted to write this comment in Esperanto and see whether you would excercise your right to edit it. ;-)

Now seriously, I like the general approach of Google Chrome, but I stick to Firefox because of the extensions, which makes it possible to tailor it to one’s needs. And one of mine is precisely to write in Esperanto, which has some diacritic signs I have been unable to produce in Gmail when I access it through Chrome. On the other hand, I can easily type them with an extension in Firefox. So, at least for present time, I stick with Firefox.

Regards,

Daniel
(Buenos Aires, Argentina)

]]> By: PanosJee http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-93800 PanosJee Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:22:54 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-93800 Yeah I agree but Google has the cash and it won t be long before we see Dells or whatever coming with Windoze and the full ranger of G software. Like Google Search, Picasa, G Earth and Chrome. It already happens to some extend and I believe the trend will grow stronger. It has not have to be necessarily Windoze could be any of the small Linux distros for netbooks Yeah I agree but Google has the cash and it won t be long before we see Dells or whatever coming with Windoze and the full ranger of G software. Like Google Search, Picasa, G Earth and Chrome.

It already happens to some extend and I believe the trend will grow stronger. It has not have to be necessarily Windoze could be any of the small Linux distros for netbooks

]]> By: Sugar http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-92605 Sugar Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:52:41 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-92605 Uhm, guys, I think we're losing the focus here. My post was more of a user-centred aspect of Google Chrome launch. My point (with regards to monopoly) more or less is this: How will Google force Chrome upon people without adopting monopoly tactics? @kat I really, really thank you :) Uhm, guys, I think we’re losing the focus here.

My post was more of a user-centred aspect of Google Chrome launch.

My point (with regards to monopoly) more or less is this: How will Google force Chrome upon people without adopting monopoly tactics?

@kat

I really, really thank you :)

]]> By: kat http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-92587 kat Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:55:53 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-92587 I just wanted to come over and wish you xronia polla :) I just wanted to come over and wish you xronia polla :)

]]> By: oriste http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-92392 oriste Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:08:54 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-92392 Technically speaking, in United States v. Microsoft, 87 F. Supp. 2d 30, Microsoft was accused of abusing their monopoly position by bundling IE with Windows. It was the *bundling* that formed the core of the accusation, NOT their monopoly position. The bundling was considered unfair practice because it would restrict the market for all other browser manufacturers on the said desktop. Google doesn't hold a monopoly on the desktop or the browser, therefor I don't think it can be accused of abusing such a position by using it's distribution mechanism to facilitate easy installation of a browser on the desktop. As long as Google doesn't restrict access to its services by putting up artificial hurdles for other browsers (thereby unfairly favoring its own browser), or by limiting access to competing services from its browser (thereby unfairly favoring its own services), I don't see a case here for accusations of monopoly abuse. Technically speaking, in United States v. Microsoft, 87 F. Supp. 2d 30, Microsoft was accused of abusing their monopoly position by bundling IE with Windows. It was the *bundling* that formed the core of the accusation, NOT their monopoly position. The bundling was considered unfair practice because it would restrict the market for all other browser manufacturers on the said desktop.

Google doesn’t hold a monopoly on the desktop or the browser, therefor I don’t think it can be accused of abusing such a position by using it’s distribution mechanism to facilitate easy installation of a browser on the desktop. As long as Google doesn’t restrict access to its services by putting up artificial hurdles for other browsers (thereby unfairly favoring its own browser), or by limiting access to competing services from its browser (thereby unfairly favoring its own services), I don’t see a case here for accusations of monopoly abuse.

]]> By: Alexandros http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-92364 Alexandros Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:49:14 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-92364 Google cannot be accused of monopoly <b>violations</b> because it is not using an existing monopoly position (>80%) to dominate another market. Microsoft (ab)used its windows monopoly to preinstall IE, by claiming it was one and the same product. Signing a distribution deal (as is currently done for the google toolbar) is no such monopoly abuse. Nor is distribution of chrome with android, a new entry in the mobile OS space. Google cannot be accused of monopoly violations because it is not using an existing monopoly position (>80%) to dominate another market.

Microsoft (ab)used its windows monopoly to preinstall IE, by claiming it was one and the same product. Signing a distribution deal (as is currently done for the google toolbar) is no such monopoly abuse. Nor is distribution of chrome with android, a new entry in the mobile OS space.

]]> By: adamo http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-92190 adamo Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:07:55 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-92190 The history of CS teaches us that every 10 to 20 years old ideas are "somehow" refreshed and presented as new. A little more than 10 years ago, Oracle had a browser that was similar in goals (and ambition) to what Chrome want to be today. It did not really work then and it will not now. Some new technologies (like V8) will spring out and get a life of their own making our lives easier, but not Chrome (which is in many ways similar even to HotJava which nobody remembers or talks about today). The history of CS teaches us that every 10 to 20 years old ideas are “somehow” refreshed and presented as new.

A little more than 10 years ago, Oracle had a browser that was similar in goals (and ambition) to what Chrome want to be today. It did not really work then and it will not now. Some new technologies (like V8) will spring out and get a life of their own making our lives easier, but not Chrome (which is in many ways similar even to HotJava which nobody remembers or talks about today).

]]> By: Sugar http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-92147 Sugar Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:49:02 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-92147 Because everyone has been talking about distribution and its merits... Remember how Internet Explorer 6 became the standard web browser in the first place. It was by default installed in Windows, a technique that was later criticized as monopoly. For good or for bad, everyone thought IE6 was the synonym of web browsing. How can Google counter that without being accused of monopoly (again)? Because everyone has been talking about distribution and its merits…

Remember how Internet Explorer 6 became the standard web browser in the first place. It was by default installed in Windows, a technique that was later criticized as monopoly.

For good or for bad, everyone thought IE6 was the synonym of web browsing.

How can Google counter that without being accused of monopoly (again)?

]]> By: oriste http://blog.sugarenia.com/archives/critiques/the-reason-why-google-chrome-will-never-get-mainstream/comment-page-1#comment-92094 oriste Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:58:40 +0000 http://blog.sugarenia.com/?p=499#comment-92094 Sugar hits the nail right on the head with her arguments. But she stops short of coming to the inevitable conclusion imho: since distribution is the key, Google is the only player in a position to install a new "default browser" on the majority of PCs through their search gateway, which is the de facto default search engine for most. I would venture that MS is more afraid than FF right now, which would be a "good thing". Joe and Mary PC User don't care what connects them to the 'nets, indeed. When Google tells them they'll get a better search experience by hitting this "download and install" button, they'll do it. It won't effect FF market share that much, not until Google can provide all the nerdy tools that FF does. FF is a deliberate choice made with the brain. Chrome will be a convenience choice, just click, don't think. O.t.o.h., whether that would be good for you developers/designers is another matter. Google hasn't given me much confidence in their adaptation of web standards. Looked at the source of their brand new endeavor lately? Check out lively.com. Tables for layout? In 2008? WTF? Sugar hits the nail right on the head with her arguments. But she stops short of coming to the inevitable conclusion imho: since distribution is the key, Google is the only player in a position to install a new “default browser” on the majority of PCs through their search gateway, which is the de facto default search engine for most. I would venture that MS is more afraid than FF right now, which would be a “good thing”.

Joe and Mary PC User don’t care what connects them to the ‘nets, indeed. When Google tells them they’ll get a better search experience by hitting this “download and install” button, they’ll do it. It won’t effect FF market share that much, not until Google can provide all the nerdy tools that FF does. FF is a deliberate choice made with the brain. Chrome will be a convenience choice, just click, don’t think.

O.t.o.h., whether that would be good for you developers/designers is another matter. Google hasn’t given me much confidence in their adaptation of web standards. Looked at the source of their brand new endeavor lately? Check out lively.com. Tables for layout? In 2008? WTF?

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